May 25 - 2024

Where’s Wes?

Scouting The Refs

About the Episode

This week on the #RefsPodcast, we ask: Where’s Wes McCauley? Edmonton Oilers’ Connor McDavid takes an overtime high-sticking penalty that was confirmed via review… but was another penalty missed? Boston Bruins forward Charlie Coyle gives a little ‘How do you do’ to Florida Panthers defenseman Aaron Ekblad’s undercarriage, with no penalty or fine.

Goaltender interference (surprise!) at Vancouver Canucks vs. Edmonton Oilers… and again at Dallas Stars vs. Colorado Avalanche… and once more at New York Rangers vs. Florida Panthers. Breaking down those plays, the rules, and the maddening ‘explanations’ we get from the officials and the NHL’s Situation Room.

Also, we look at Matt Duchene’s real impact – and legacy – in the National Hockey League… and more on McCauley’s whereabouts and why he’s missing his first conference final in over 10 seasons.

Visit and follow @scoutingtherefs and @toddlewissports on Twitter/X, Instagram, and Threads. Email us your questions – [email protected] #RefsPodcast

Questions? Comments? Just looking to vent? Call the RefLine and leave us a message at 585-484-REFS! #RefsPodcast

The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We’ll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was – or wasn’t – handed out.

Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports. Lewis is a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio. He’s also worked for TSN, Sportsnet as a host/anchor and is a producer of other programs.

Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent site related to hockey officiating which follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. 

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