Mar 9 - 2024

Disappointed… but Not Surprised

Scouting The Refs

About the Episode

On this week’s Scouting the Refs Podcast: Longtime NHL referee Tom Kowal heads to the BC Hockey Hall of Fame, the NHL’s Department of Player Safety issues fines to Minnesota Wild’s Mats Zuccarello and Nashville Predators’ Michael McCarron, and a suspension to Calgary Flames defenseman Martin Pospisil. No call, no fine after Colorado Avalanche’s Josh Manson slashes Chicago Blackhawks’ Connor Bedard — or to New York Rangers’ Matt Rempe for charging Toronto Maple Leafs’ Ilya Lyubushkin. Plus, the New Jersey Devils get a penalty shot after Anaheim Ducks’ Frank Vatrano intentionally dislodges the net, while the Toronto media thought the Maple Leafs should’ve been awarded one against the New York Rangers. (They shouldn’t have.) #RefsPodcast

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The Scouting The Refs Podcast is a weekly look at the world of officiating and player safety within the National Hockey League, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world. We’ll break down the calls and the rules behind them to help understand why a penalty or suspension was – or wasn’t – handed out. Todd Lewis is a veteran broadcaster covering the NHL and other major league sports. Lewis is a former host on the NHL Network and on NHL Network Radio. He’s also worked for TSN, Sportsnet as a host/anchor and is a producer of other programs. Josh Smith is the founder of Scouting the Refs, the leading independent site related to hockey officiating which follows hockey officials across the NHL, AHL, ECHL, and other leagues around the world, including news, rule changes and interpretations, suspensions, and statistics on officials and penalty calls. 

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